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Sublimation, culture, and creativity.

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This interests me greatly, kisses and love in advance ❤️

Sublimation, culture, and creativity.

 

Kim, Emily Zeppenfeld, Veronika Cohen, Dov

Combining insights from Freud and Weber, this article explores whether Protestants (vs. Catholics and Jews) are more likely to sublimate their taboo feelings and desires toward productive ends. In the Terman sample (Study 1), Protestant men and women who had sexual problems related to anxieties about taboos and depravity had greater creative accomplishments, as compared to those with sexual problems unrelated to such concerns and to those reporting no sexual problems. Two laboratory experiments (Studies 2 and 3) found that Protestants produced more creative artwork (sculptures, poems, collages, cartoon captions) when they were (a) primed with damnation-related words, (b) induced to feel unacceptable sexual desires, or (c) forced to suppress their anger. Activating anger or sexual attraction was not enough; it was the forbidden or suppressed nature of the emotion that gave the emotion its creative power. The studies provide possibly the first experimental evidence for sublimation and suggest a cultural psychological approach to defense mechanisms. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2016 APA, all rights reserved)

Kim, E., Zeppenfeld, V., & Cohen, D. (2013). Sublimation, culture, and creativity. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 105(4), 639-666.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/a0033487

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3 hours ago, Elle said:

I asked for the full text, than read some more in this forum and found it.

What I meant was that I was puzzled by many aspects of the study.

Not the least of which is the use of the word "depravity" without any definition. Maybe I missed it. It seems a strong word with lots of moralistic, judgemental connotations, so maybe it's a jargon word familiar to religious scholars.

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its in the context of the protestant belief. I'm not from around there but I sure know about that and how they love them some fires of hell. so its a "depravity" in the context of sublimation - that is the borders for the desire are harsher.

 

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On 11/30/2018 at 10:45 PM, dr. frankenstein said:

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Psychoanalysis?  Is That Still Around?  :blink:

 

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Alive and kicking - don't knock it until you try it ;)

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On 12/12/2018 at 6:19 PM, Elle said:

 

Alive and kicking - don't knock it until you try it ;)

 

 

https://dreams.ucsc.edu/Library/domhoff_2000d.html

 

"On the other hand, and contrary to the claim that the method is free of any suggestive influence by the psychoanalyst, there is experimental evidence that subtle suggestions from an experimenter-therapist can falsely convince many people on the basis of dream interpretations that they were once lost or abandoned as young children (Mazzoni & Loftus, 1998; Mazzoni, Loftus, Seitz, & Lynn, 1999). These and many other findings on the power of suggestion in a therapeutic context (Ofshe & Watters, 1994) take on greater importance when Freud's (1900) several mentions of arguments with patients concerning the wishful and infantile basis of their dreams are added to the picture. What Freud saw as overcoming "resistance" can be understood from the vantage point of social psychology as a process of persuasion and conversion within the context of great respect for an authority figure who is seen as offering relief from suffering.

As can be seen from this brief overview of the relevant scientific literature on dreams, there is no reason to believe any of Freud's specific claims about dreams and their purposes. It is as likely that social influence processes led to Freud's "discoveries" as it is that free association uncovers the latent content of dreams. Moreover, the all-important wish theory is refuted by the dreams of post-traumatic stress disorder and the blandness of young children's dreams. The idea of dreams as guardians of sleep is contradicted by both the regularity of dreaming and the absence of dreaming in children and brain-lesioned patients. The lack of evidence for the processes called the dream-work suggests that they are at best forms of figurative thought familiar to us through jokes and slang (Hall, 1953a). Since there are many dreams without day residue, it cannot be the case that all dreams contain a reference to events from the previous day or two. These stark conclusions leave us with nothing that is explicitly "Freudian" in the search for a general psychological theory of dreams except that at least some dreams have psychological meaning"

 

"However, none of these ideas implies that dreams have any "purpose" or adaptive function, and least of all the functions proposed for them by Freud and Jung (Antrobus, 1993; Foulkes, 1993). Dreams are too rarely remembered or related to daily events, and too infrequently contain even the hint of solutions to problems, to have any use to the waking mind in any evolutionary sense, and there is no evidence that dreaming has any adaptive purpose during sleep. Dreaming may well be the accidental by-product of two important adaptations, thinking and sleeping (Foulkes, 1985; Foulkes, 1993; Foulkes, 1999)"

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I thought Elle's post was about sublimation.

 

It is true that Freud thought of sublimation, and Freud also create psychoanalysis.

But it does not follow that because some of Freud's other psychoanalytic ideas were wrong, that sublimation isn't a thing.

 

BTW, REM sleep is now known to be intimately related to memory consolidation and processing of emotional memories.

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On 11/9/2018 at 4:24 AM, Elle said:

its in the context of the protestant belief. I'm not from around there but I sure know about that and how they love them some fires of hell. so its a "depravity" in the context of sublimation - that is the borders for the desire are harsher.

 

 

So if someone is a fundamentalist fire-and-brimstone Protestant, you are more likely to be creative?

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On 12/15/2018 at 6:36 AM, Sanction said:

 

So if someone is a fundamentalist fire-and-brimstone Protestant, you are more likely to be creative?

Only if there's enough sexuality around (according to this research)

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