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Gut Microbiome Extinction

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https://getpocket.com/explore/item/how-the-western-diet-has-derailed-our-evolution

 

"Many who study the microbiome suspect that we are experiencing an extinction spasm within that parallels the extinction crisis gripping the planet. Numerous factors are implicated in these disappearances. Antibiotics, available after World War II, can work like napalm, indiscriminately flattening our internal ecosystems. Modern sanitary amenities, which began in the late 19th century, may limit sharing of disease- and health-promoting microbes alike. Today’s houses in today’s cities seal us away from many of the soil, plant, and animal microbes that rained down on us during our evolution, possibly limiting an important source of novelty."

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I actually try to limit my use of antibiotics. And we try to get a good array of various bacteria in our diets. Soups with lots of stuff I don't normally eat, various dairy, fermented stuff. I used to have so many IBS symptoms until I just relaxed and started eating a wide variety of things.

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I can't figure out from the article whether this is good or bad.

3 things I eat before noon affect the gut microbiome: cinnamon, stevia, aspartame. Then for all the other meals there is hot sauce. Might as well give up without those.

Check out the scientist in a camo shirt in the photo.

"Foods they tested that had antimicrobial effects include honey, licorice, stevia... aspartame, hot sauce, herbs such as oregano, spices such as cinnamon and clove, rhubarbs, uva ursi (bear berry), and neem extract."

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-01/sdsu-cfc010920.php

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I'm never going to find it but I seem to recall FunkOdessey posting some  article that indicated that even after months of probiotic therapy, if you discontinued taking them, your gut flora would fairly quickly return to how it was before you started.

 

Take home message, humans ate a lot of all sorts of stuff over our development and our gut microbiome developed along with us and is likely far more resilient than we seem to think it is....don't worry about the hot sauce. 

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This article suggests impacts on gut flora lasting at least 2 years post antibiotic treatment so I'm not so sure. 

 

I'm also not sure about or perception on probiotics. There seems to be this idea that perhaps its a gimmick or worthless if the strains don't take up permanent residence in our bodies. It would be absurd for me to claim vitamin C is useless because it doesn't stay in the body after you take it. Perhaps the natural order of things is constant addition to the colonies. We don't think of dehydration as a return to baseline when we stop drinking water, so why do we approach probiotics in that manner?

 

 

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5 hours ago, Supnut said:

We don't think of dehydration as a return to baseline when we stop drinking water, so why do we approach probiotics in that manner?

 

Because one self-replicates and one doesn't?

 

However, I don't think the fact that your gut biome returns to baseline when you stop taking probiotics means that they are useless. A cornfield will turn into a meadow and later a forest if the farmer stops planting corn there and tending it but that doesn't mean there is no value to his efforts if it is corn he wants.

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